Peter Tessier: Why the Hate for Logan Stanley? There's way too much energy going into ripping Logan Stanley apart for being himself.

I never understand getting up in arms over any draft pick outside the top 10. It usually takes guys a few years to get to the NHL anyways, especially defencemen. Its not as if they picked him over McDavid.

I to was not a fan of the pick but also realize it's far too early to completely write a kid off. A guy his size will absolutely take longer and we are probably 4 years away of knowing what he will be. The Flyers drafted Sam Morin back in 2013 I think? He is of similar size and has not yet made the NHL but by no means been written off by Philly, he has just been brought along slowly as will Stanley. I think some fans may have just thought we could have waited and got him with our pick with no need to trade up or question if or how hard Chevy worked to trade up to take Chychrun? I have not seen Luke Green play but I also question taking him when Sean Day went two picks after?

"In 2012 Trouba had falled to the Jets as they had him naked as high as 4th overall"

http://prospect-stats.com/DEV/defensemen/

His draft year fair value pick range was 64-78

The guy just turned 19 and he's already a bust? that doesn't really make any sense, plenty of d-men take time to develop - he was hurt for a large part of this season and all the talk from the coaching staff in Windsor seemed to indicate that Sergachev was getting a lot of the PP time.

I think he will end up being a good d-man if allowed the time to develop, he wasn't going to be a quick answer for a hole the Jets need to fill now - best to think of him being a part of the push 2020 or later.

A few things here:
1: Nobody is hating on Stanley, we're hating on the Jets stupidity. I hope Stanley makes the team and has a successful NHL career, but the Jets messed up pretty hard here. They traded up and gave away a 2nd to get him when they could've just waited and picked him with the 2nd they traded away.
2: Logan Stanley is 100% different from Scheifele, Trouba, Morrissey, and even Ehlers. They were all elite players that lead their respective teams, the Jets just picked them a bit earlier than anyone predicted. Stanley was the #4D on his team, and his numbers don't bode well for him. People seem to forget that Chara is the exception, not the rule.
3: Defencemen don't take longer to develop. That's a hoax. Teams are more hesitant to call them up for some reason, which is amplified by there being half as many spots for a dman to jump into the lineup compared to forwards. Scheifele was 20, Trouba was 19, Ehlers was 19, Morrissey was 20, Laine 18, etc. There's nothing at all to suggest defencemen take longer outside of teams not calling them up. In the same general conversation, big Dmen don't develop slower either, they just don't tend to be as good, meaning they dont perform well enough to make the NHL until they're at their peak.

"In 2012 Trouba had falled to the Jets as they had him naked as high as 4th overall"
- Rossco311

LOL

Unless Stanley becomes the next Wade Campbell or Jim Kyte, I fail to see what the issue is. He will take a bit longer to develop as he is a defenceman. Jets needed to take a defenceman last year. Let's be patient.

Way too early to judge.

A few things here:
1: Nobody is hating on Stanley, we're hating on the Jets stupidity. I hope Stanley makes the team and has a successful NHL career, but the Jets messed up pretty hard here. They traded up and gave away a 2nd to get him when they could've just waited and picked him with the 2nd they traded away.
2: Logan Stanley is 100% different from Scheifele, Trouba, Morrissey, and even Ehlers. They were all elite players that lead their respective teams, the Jets just picked them a bit earlier than anyone predicted. Stanley was the #4D on his team, and his numbers don't bode well for him. People seem to forget that Chara is the exception, not the rule.
3: Defencemen don't take longer to develop. That's a hoax. Teams are more hesitant to call them up for some reason, which is amplified by there being half as many spots for a dman to jump into the lineup compared to forwards. Scheifele was 20, Trouba was 19, Ehlers was 19, Morrissey was 20, Laine 18, etc. There's nothing at all to suggest defencemen take longer outside of teams not calling them up. In the same general conversation, big Dmen don't develop slower either, they just don't tend to be as good, meaning they dont perform well enough to make the NHL until they're at their peak.
- Rexypoo

Please proof point 3. A lot of Dmen arrive slower in the NHL because it is a more responsible role than a winger. Theodore makes a mistake and Bieksa is back in (and rightfully so, you can't frank around on this level).
Although it is not a rule it is more likely that a guy with the size of Stanley takes longer. I think he will be a very solid bottom pairing dmen, which is not bad but Peg had the prospect pool to go boom or bust with that pick.

Oh Rexy. All three of your points are poo.

BookemDano

Do you really have any place to make comments like that if you can't provide a real response?

Please proof point 3. A lot of Dmen arrive slower in the NHL because it is a more responsible role than a winger. Theodore makes a mistake and Bieksa is back in (and rightfully so, you can't frank around on this level).
Although it is not a rule it is more likely that a guy with the size of Stanley takes longer. I think he will be a very solid bottom pairing dmen, which is not bad but Peg had the prospect pool to go boom or bust with that pick.
- DutchSenators

The thing you're missing with that example is that Theodore doesn't make anywhere near as many mistakes as Bieksa at this point. There's no difference between an elite forward at 18 and an elite defenceman at 18 developmentally, it's just when the team is comfortable bringing them in. Chychrun came in and proved he could play instantly, as did my number 1 example Aaron Ekblad. Some guys (Bogosian) can be hindered by it, but there's no real reason to hold a kid back unless he's not better than players already on the NHL team.

I 100% agree. Stanley is just a kid trying to achieve his dreams. I agree when the jets made the move i thought they could still get a defense man and a forward like Debrinkat instead of just a dman. Like you said though the discussion should be about the GM and scouting staff and their choices. To me Connor made sense but I wasnt sure about Roslevic although I didnt know much about him and all the "expert lists" didnt have Roslevic even going in the 1st round. I understand that Jets fans love analyzing and prognosticating every time the Jets do or dont make a move but I have yet to hear any fan or media expert or blogger get the Jets picks right. So we complain and then watch as they all work out in the 1st round and many more with huge potential coming up. And even if Logan Stanley doesnt work out as well as high as he was drafted thats not his fault! Let the Kid play hockey and learn and work to make the team and how ever hos career goes or doesnt lets blame the scouting staff and GM that valued him so high.

Hello, I wrote an article about Logan Stanley on Arctic Ice Hockey, so this piece is quite timely. I would like to throw my two cents into this discussion here.

My perception of this debate surrounding Stanley is that it was always about the Jets' drafting strategy. The NHL as a whole is moving toward speed and skill, and a lumbering, low-skill defenceman runs counter to that strategy. His size aside, he's just the most notable example of a low-skill defenceman being drafted by this team.

As for his development, the core of the criticism surrounding this pick is that it's not merely him being a project, it's historical precedent for players of his ilk not even becoming NHL regulars.

This was never about Stanley himself, it's always been about how bad a move it was for the Jets to take him. I haven't seen or heard a comment from anyone suggesting anyone wants him to fail. I've seen such comments regarding Trouba in light of his fall 2016 holdout, none for Stanley. It's just that the criticism of the Stanley pick doesn't work without the unflattering evidence.

I don't see why there's all these complaints when it's the only chance the Jets have of being around anything named Stanley

Ouch ....that was a shot....

Had to break it with the sarcasm.
I mean, FFS people whining over a kid who is still in Jr.
It's not like you had a choice of Stanley or Connor and guessed wrong.
Plus it's not like you traded up to #1 to draft Yakupov.

I don't see why there's all these complaints when it's the only chance the Jets have of being around anything named Stanley
- ChonDerry

Had to break it with the sarcasm.
I mean, FFS people whining over a kid who is still in Jr.
It's not like you had a choice of Stanley or Connor and guessed wrong.
Plus it's not like you traded up to #1 to draft Yakupov.
- ChonDerry

I would love to see the Jets sign Yakupov on a one year show-me contract. I think he would do good on a line with Scheifele and Wheeler. Before you laugh at me, remember there was a Castoff named Justin Schultz who with a change of environment and system became an irreplaceable piece of a Stanley Cup winning team.

Yak does well when surrounded with more offensive minded people.
On a 1 year deal like you said, put with a top 6 role, he'd do well. But he got buried here in the bottom 6 where it may as well be me on the ice as a linemate LOL

WTF ? ... way too early to peg this one as good or bad .... since arriving back in the 'peg, the drafting has been one of the (only ?) bright spots .... not many were excited about the scheifs pick at the time, either
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We have another 3 (2 ?) more years AT LEAST to make a call on this one

Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Petan-Yakupov
Armia-Lowry-Dano

Anyone feeling that? I get the distinct impression that Yakupov isn't better than anyone below him unless he's in a scoring tear.

Laine-Scheifele-Wheeler
Perreault-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Petan-Yakupov
Armia-Lowry-Dano

Anyone feeling that? I get the distinct impression that Yakupov isn't better than anyone below him unless he's in a scoring tear.
- Rexypoo

I don't normally agree with you. But I love those lines!